'We are the party for everyone who wants to make something of their lives,'

assuming you are upper middle class and are a Dutch national

By bobsocks | June 10, 2010 7:01 AM

Does this mean that 1 in 6 people in the street hate me and wants to kick me out of this country? I have difficulties in beleiving this

By Alien | June 10, 2010 8:34 AM

Well, first of all, I am not Dutch, and I have been dealing with the Dutch for 16 years,and visit them from time to time,, (so I am very neutral),,, The world in general is tending to radicalism,,,Lets compare that to what is happening in the middle east (before even Holland),, The Muslim brotherhood is gaining grounds every day,, They are not that different in their trend than the PPV,,, actually they are a mirror image of it, (the same but in the opposite direction),, They also claim(Islam is the solution ) and want to kick the (western out) ,,and they are angry to see (the western values coming to there,, All that because of the less culture, and because in the two cases,in Holland and in the middle east, people are using the only culture they have/own , which is called the culture of the skin..
When people do not have any culture ,they only still have (religion and race-culture),,like a naked person,, once they are more cultured , they are in a shirt, then in a suit, those (clothes) are how we see the person,,,that is it...
I can not blame the Dutch for this democratic choice,, I can only say, I know now that there is less than 30% of the people of the Netherlands are not cultured enough,,, that include the (hard line Muslims who show that all the time ,and irritate others (well PVV call them Moroccans) and their counter, the PVV people...I have to say ,, not bad,, if there is almost 60% of the population have different culture than the culture of the skin
Democracy is a bless, but sometimes it should not be used to (torture/hurt) others,, The 60% remained, and (me as an example in my country) - why should we suffer the (ignorance of the less cultured),, and we are just moderate people!!!Yes both the PVV in Holland and the Muslim brotherhood (in Egypt) should have a share of the cake,(democracy ha!!), But this share should be not (effective) ,, on someone like me, like you , and like anyone who is wearing a suit,,
Too bad luck that the sound of ignorance faint down when there is real tragedy like the WWII , I am very happy that I am old enough to witness those day,,,lol

Egyptian who is in love with the Netherlands,,

By Zoser | June 10, 2010 9:31 AM

Hey Alien. Unfortunately your stats are probably true. What a sad country we live in.(for now)

By langer | June 10, 2010 9:41 AM

@Alien: not at all, just respect the laws of the country, work and do not try to live of wellfare.

By Kermit | June 10, 2010 10:05 AM

Fear is a powerful tool and the ethnic Dutch are afraid. Worried about losing their language, customs, jobs, seeing an increase in crime, claims for social money.

Clearly this is not one group and abuse of the scocial system is an institution in the country, mostly by Ethnic Dutch (such as in the comedy such as Flobber, sterotyping Dutch working class). Wilders has cleverly tapped into this fear and pointed the finger as Islam, which has won over many previous moderates.

Of course some of the issue could have been averted by strong visual condemnation of terror acts by the Muslim Community, who are more than willing to come out in strength for march's against the US or Israel but are strangely quiet when it comes to Bin Laden. I still wait for the mass march with banner waving, down with Bin Laden & al-Qaeda, don't hijack our religion!

By Common Sense | June 10, 2010 11:06 AM

So I guess that means I'm safe, yea? I'm white, non-muslim and from the US. Does that count favorably?? I don't think it's a good sign that the Dutch seem to be going the way of some Americans are in regard to people of different colors, cultures and religions. I thought the people here were more socially advanced in a lot of ways. Maybe not...

By Cathy | June 10, 2010 12:32 PM

I don't believe the people who have voted for the PVV hate foreigners.

But, and this includes me, it annoys a lot of people that there is a group of foreigners in our country that just misbehave theirselves.

It's pretty simple then whe I invite you to my house, and you misbehave once, you get a warning. Second time i definitely kick you out!

Just, adjust, work, learn to speak the language, follow the rules. Keep your own culture, but follow the rules :) That's all!

By Valentijn | June 10, 2010 1:24 PM

PvdA is just like British Labour Party, had enough time to rule the country. It is time to give Wilders a chance.

By DL | June 10, 2010 1:55 PM

How do you know that those that are "misbehaving" weren't born here or have a Dutch passport?

If you don't care, are you advocating that those who don't "look Dutch" be treated differently under the law than the native Dutch?

I live in a neighbourhood of mostly Muslim people...very quiet neighbourhood...I don't see this "misbehaving" that Wilders supporters keep trying to convince me is there. I see families in the park with their children, shopping in the AH, doing pretty well the same thing as the non-Muslim families.

So what are they doing so differently than the rest of the Dutch? Please I'd like to know!

By CW | June 10, 2010 2:28 PM

Zoser, Your comments are exactly what I state in my new book about Holland and Europe in the post-9/11 age, "Radical State." It's about the ways in which radical Islam and the radical Left on the one hand, vs the radical Right on the other, are destroying the principles of democracy entirely. If you're interested, I think you can order it on Amazon.

By abigail | June 10, 2010 8:36 PM

CW - one knows that those who are "misbehaving" mostly WERE born in Holland and DO have a Dutch passport. But they are largely of Moroccan origin. How does the previous post-er know this? The same way I do: he reads the statistics.

By Abigail | June 10, 2010 8:37 PM

You want them to work, but you don't want to give them jobs.

You want them to learn the language, but you don't want to speak to them.

You want them to integrate, so long as they don't infiltrate your social circles.

So who is really responsible for isolating people and communities within Dutch society?

By osita | June 10, 2010 10:41 PM