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Teach creationism, Christian leader says

Tuesday 12 May 2009

Creationism should be taught in Dutch public schools alongside evolution, Arie Slob, leader of the orthodox ChristenUnie party in parliament says in an interview with website nu.nl.

'It is as if there are no other ideas and theories,' Slob was quoted as saying. 'There are more thoughts about the beginning of this earth than the one printed in the text books.'

Slob, a former teacher, said both Christian and non-denominational schools should teach a broader curriculum.

The Netherlands has a number of fundamentalist Christian schools where creationism is taught as fact. Some one in five Dutch people believe God created the world in six days.

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Of course, they should teach creationism in schools. Preferably in the same lesson where they tell the kids about the tooth fairy and Sinter wotsisname and.. and Zwarte slave thingy and so on...

By Deep Throat | May 12, 2009 9:54 AM


It is nothing but good science to teach both and let the students come to their own conclusion.

By Bob Gordon | May 12, 2009 10:33 AM


No form of religion should be taught at a public school, period! Too no religious group should be tax free, time to tax the false profits.

By Paul Martin | May 12, 2009 11:24 AM


@Bob - How is it good science to teach such utter giberish as creationism to kids? Proven scientific fact is one thing. Fantasy and myth are something altogether different and have no place in schools except for storytime for toddlers.

By Deep Throat | May 12, 2009 12:45 PM


Creationism is one of the theories that explain how we are on this earth or even in this universe. I do not understand why people getting worked out when God is mentioned. The evolution theory talking about Mother Nature or evelution being the creator (has any one seen Mother Nature?) and people find it acceptable. My point is that we need to keep our options open to all possibilities/ theories. Maybe one day we will stumble on another theory which will not be acceptable to most of us and so forth.

By Al | May 12, 2009 2:42 PM


Actually Al, creationist is not a scientific theory. It's a childish belief in magic, and it would be child abuse to teach it. By the way, Al, you're an idiot.

By bobxxxxxx | May 12, 2009 4:38 PM


Education's continuous refusal to teach anything but the theory of evolution as the only possible explanation for our origins is incredibly irresponsible. Antitheist evolutionists are discouraging critical thinking, preferring rather to dogmatize children. They are guilty of the very thing they accuse religion of doing! It seems their motives are not to elevate truth, or the Socratic principle of following evidence wherever it may lead; their motives seem sinister! Creationism, whether true or false, has many scientific and philosophical merits that have been shown to stand up to scrutiny. How can we justify neglecting even to mention it? This is reminiscent of totalitarianism when we begin to teach children only one way of looking at the world, and even put substantial effort in eradicating any other!

By Sean | May 12, 2009 4:57 PM


Teaching both creationism as well as evolution explains to students that there are differing views, that some religions believe and teach something else and thus the student learns about the reality of viewpoints - that is just common sense and good quality eduction and is not teaching religion at all - deep throat has obviously missed that.

Though personally a religious man, I support secular schooling for government education but I also want students to know that the vast majority of this country and the world in general are actually religious and also that of varying religious beliefs - to not have that would simply make students more ignorant and less ........"educated".

By Solkhar | May 12, 2009 5:30 PM


If evolution is true, why are evolutionists afraid of challenges?

By ken hargesheimer | May 12, 2009 5:35 PM


The benefit of a valid scientific theory (evolution) is it's ability to explain the evidence we see (like million-year-old fossils) and to predict the effects we can expect to see (like mutations of flu virus). When creation can do both, I'd call it a valid scientific theory. Until then, it's simply a religious myth.

By Richard | May 12, 2009 6:11 PM


At least there are good options here and are some good schools that do teach Creation. Evolution on the other hand is the greatest hoax of the 20th century where "Grown ups" try to teach children it all started from nothing and then this strange and complex and really quite unexplainable chain of events that cannot be proven or duplicated or is continuing even brought us to the point of human life.
Wow! A Six year old knows things (especially enormously complex ones) do not just happen from a "Bang!" Talk about an ignorant myth! The fact that evolution is still taught and believed, actually proves the validity of what the Bible states about humans!

By bet | May 12, 2009 7:52 PM


Surely the Dutch are sane enough to keep science in science classes. If Christian fundamentalist creationism were to be taught, than the schools would have to familiarize students with many hundreds of creation stories from cultures around the world. One of my favourites is the Colombian Kogui native American story: "In the beginning was the sea. All was dark. There was no sun or moon or people or animals or anything. The sea was everywhere. The sea was the mother. The mother was not people or anything else. She was the spirit of that which was to come, and she was thought and memory."

By Edd Doerr | May 12, 2009 8:49 PM


Thankfully Darwin's discovery of evolution completely rules out the possibility that man came from some dirt that a God used to make an image of Himself out of, and that woman came from a rib of this dirt-man.

Compare the amount of interlocking data from every applicable scientific field including geology, physics, and even molecular biology, all having observational experiments done, that test and prove the hypotheses of evolution occurring, with the DISCREDITED FAIRY TALE - a big invisible monster that nobody has ever seen or heard did it.

Many atheist comedians (notably George Carlin and Lewis Black) have great routines ridiculing religion that can be seen on Youtube. Let me elaborate why this may be their greatest contribution to society.

It is frightening that mass delusions of supernatural beings still exist today. It is the same thing as saying that my invisible fire breathing dragon is more powerful than your multi-headed fire spewing sea monster. So, come around to my way of thinking or I will commit atrocities for it.

How could anybody worship a fictional being whose story is outlandishly absurd. Everything from the murderous blood stained Sky Daddy who drowned virtually all humanity and other life, sentenced everyone to leave Utopia after Eve (persuaded by a talking snake) ate a magical apple, had Jonah take a ride in the belly of a whale, ruined the life of Job, told Abraham to murder his own kid, killed all the first born of Egypt, had his chosen people commit genocide on the original inhabitants of Palestine, to letting his own son be nailed to some wood so mankind could party with a ghost - is a FAIRY TALE that humanity needs to reject if we are to see many more generations.

By the way if you are dumb enough to believe that this fable is real; in the Bible, the murder count is God/millions - Devil/zero. Whom would you rather spend time with, a vengeful monster or a fallen angel who thought he had a better way? I am NOT promoting the Devil, just illustrating the craziness in this stupidity.

Hopefully if you were previously deluded, after reading this you will see how foolish you have been.

There is no middle ground.

By Fizzmick PaChee | May 12, 2009 9:16 PM


My education in science is among the very best America has to offer and I believe in creationism. Unlike my fellow scientists I make no excuses for my belief in a Creator. In fact, I use science to prove creation. Science is one of several methods one should use to examine the matrix. The idea is to find truth, not to support a bias science community, which feeds on its own sense of elitism.

By Major Ray | May 12, 2009 9:51 PM


Only if they also teach Hindu and Muslim myths alongside with Christian.

By Webinator | May 12, 2009 10:05 PM


Al, Which scientists are saying that "Mother Nature" is "the creator"? Which scientists say that evolution is "the creator"? I've never heard those claims made by scientists. Are you saying that science should be concerned with whether a theory is "acceptable"? Do you think that's how science works?

By GalapagosPete | May 13, 2009 3:29 AM


I think there is some mis-understanding about what a scientific theory is. In science, an unproven idea is called a hypothesis, while a proven idea is called a theory. This causes some confusion as in common English a thoery could be used to describe an unproven idea. To clear up any misunderstanding, it may be helpful to refer to a joint statement of the national academies of science of sixty-five different countires made on June 21 2006. This statement made it clear that evolutiuon is a fact.

By Torquil | May 13, 2009 4:27 AM


Ops!!! I think I have touched a nerve there bobxxxxxxx

By Al | May 13, 2009 9:05 AM


The question here was if creationism should be also taught in schools alongside evolution, what I see here in most postings is arguing if either creationism or evolution is right, foolish, myth or fantasy.

Education is there to teach our children to be prepared for life, given knowledge of the reality of the world and knowing what exists be it wrong or correct as long as it has importance in life.

Certainly there is a significant if not majority population in this world that believes in God, religion and thus aspects of creationism. Based on this fact alone, schools should when teaching evolution should be pointing out, perhaps not in depth to a religious point of view the existance and the basis behind this belief. I myself am not Christian but Muslim, but I am a secular-education system supporter.

I want my children not to be ignorant of evolutionary theory and that there are differing religious viewpoints on this issue "for good educational reasons", thus I want them to know about the views that billions of people believe in based on the Bible, Torrah, Qur'an and other religious books.

To do otherwise, regardless of who thinks that their theory of evolution, creationism or otherwise is correct or not.

The question is, when they teach in Science evolutionary theory, in what section should they point out that there are other beliefs? I would tell them in that class very briefly that "now having said and shown you this, there are other viewpoints and this is also for many a sensitive issue" and then explain creationism in a social science or equivelant class.

By Solkhar | May 13, 2009 12:01 PM


No One Can Teach Creationism Without Proper Training

The world of current creationism does not understand the Genesis text,
and is fragmented into various factions which teach misinformation,
with doctrines which vary from the false to the foolish. However,
creationism can't be taught, without the teachers first being trained
with the facts. Otherwise they would be teaching "propaganda", and
misrepresenting the Genesis text, and nothing of value would be gained.

The world of science is mostly atheistic, which has been misled by the
falsehoods and foolishness of current creationism, and has blindly decided
upon unrealistic theories of our origins and history of life, in an attempt to
explain our beginnings and continued existence, such as the “Big Bang”
and evolution theories.

Yet the Word of God has always been true, even though those whom we
thought could correctly explain it, actually did not understand the text
themselves. Using correct literal interpretation, the biblical truth of
Genesis reveals far more about our ancient prehistoric past, than modern
science has ever known.

The book of Genesis does not contain any "creation accounts". Chapter
two tells us about the origins of modern mankind, starting in about 7200
BC. The chapter ends in about 7000 BC, with the addition of Eve, the
helpmate for Adam. Chapter one is the rendition of the "Observations
of Moses", which were six visions given to Moses on Mt. Sinai, during a
six day period in 1598 BC. Chapter one covers a period of time that
spans about 4.5 billion years, but each 24-hr day was taken from the first
week of each geologic era, in biblical order.

The correct reading of chapter one of Genesis gives undeniable proof of the
existence of the Living God. The proof is God's revelation to Moses, defining
seven geologic eras of the past, which Moses could not have known about on
his own. Secular science would not discover geologic time until 3000 years
later. Merely reading the "first day" through the "seventh day" has little
meaning, and has been called "a constructed creation myth". But the days
are not in chronological order.

The secular world of science may call this a "convenient coincidence". But it
is extremely difficult to "explain away" the fact that the "Observations of
Moses" follow the order of the discovered geologic record of Earth, with
visions of the ancient life forms shown to Moses, that lived during those
time periods.

Herman Cummings
PO Box 1745
Fortson GA, 31808
Ephraim7@aol.com

By Herman Cummings | May 13, 2009 3:28 PM


Creationism doesn't explain anything,
science does.

By maximus peperkamp | May 13, 2009 6:00 PM


Would any one out there answer this question!!!

How come for the last 3 million years there have been no new species that over took human in evolution? Human have evolved (I’m 100% with that) but according to the evolution theory there must be another species which will be better than us by now. The only thing I see that it will be better than us are robots

By Al | May 14, 2009 7:11 AM


By all means make children aware of religion and its many forms -- so long as you tell the truth and mention the violence and misogyny that unfortunately accompanies it around the world.

By Tommyrot | May 14, 2009 12:22 PM


Tommyrot,

It is not religion that causes violence and misogyny, it is mankind's handling and abuse of it for their own personal gain.

By Solkhar | May 14, 2009 11:41 PM


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