What I know is that the Netherland was keeping peoples in detention for two years before the so called "EU guidelines" wich Al Bayrak is talking about. They are doing it from 2003.

The only problem in this Country is that the IND is putting nice peoples in detention and the same time the IND is giving residence permit to the futur terrorists. To be clear, the IND is giving residence permit to the dangerous islamists under the so called "democraty" and I can prouve what Iam saying to the peoples.

The asylum seeker who refuse to talk and to give his hand to the woman from refugees organisation (COA) who wanted just to help him is futur terrorist and that one have got his residence permit in few weeks. I was witness

So it is the time for the Ducth peoples to wake up. The IND policy is putting the Country into the wrong direction

By AT | June 27, 2008 9:07 PM

I think people that make comments need to get the facts straight. Also people that read this also need to follow up on the new EU ruling on immigrants, why they are removing millions. I think we should do the right thing here and just let them out of holding. Yeah send them back where they came from.. If you don't like the way you are treated in The Netherlands, please leave, by all means get out go back to your own country. You will not break my hart!!!

By DR | June 28, 2008 11:22 PM

HOI DR,
why are you trying to be rude ?beacuse they come to you for rufege thats why you have to treat them like that sorry you will die one day and found your self in other part of the world and you will treated also thesam way, Thank God for nice Netherland people who are not like you .

By kingsle | June 29, 2008 6:08 PM

I come from a country that has taken millions of Dutch immigrants for the last 2 centuries (U.S.). I am so tired of the Dutch bashing immigrants, and even worse, refugees.

A refugee is not an immigrant. Refugees are people fleeing persecution. What a shock to go to a country like the Netherlands, where they thought they would be protected, only to be locked up!

As an U.S. immigrant in The Netherlands, I have been badly treated, At least for me, it was a choice to come here (I married a Dutch national). Please stop bashing refugees. It's bad enough that the Dutch bash immigrants, even those of us who pay 52% in taxes and have companies that hire Dutch nationals!

By Quest | June 29, 2008 11:44 PM

I concur with the above comments, that IND is not doing their job very well. How come people that are very dangerous to the society are getting resident permit? While the ones who are well educated and visionary leaders of tomorrow are kept in the detention camp to demoralize and waste them away.

The justice ministry needs to take action now before it will be too late. The IND officials are not doing their work properly because the genuine Asylum seekers do not really know how to put their stories across to the IND properly therefore, they denied them their rights and while the liars takes the places of the genuine Asylum seekers who have serious problems.

The IND is only interested in story line, not the real problems the genuine Asylum seekers are facing. This issue needs to be address URGENTLY.

When you come to the Netherlands, you say I’m a witch; the IND will give you status immediately.

When you come to the Netherlands, you say I’m a gay; IND will give you status immediately. If you come to the Netherlands, you claim a country that is not yours and you are able to put your story to fit to what they like to hear, IND will answer you and give you status without proper investigation, While people that really come from that country which someone else has claimed will be dumped for many years in the camp until they are frustrated in life and become very harmful and dangerous to the society.

I have seen so many nice people from different part of the world in the Netherlands, who are very determine and harmless, but they have been neglected by the IND just because they where not able to put their stories to fit what they like to hear.

This is injustice

I predict in the next 5-10 years time, Holland would not only turn to a terrorist zone which will threaten other part of Europe, and other dangerous things which I don’t want to state here. This will pave way for the citizens to flee the country for a safer place. Prophetically Africa

Respect human rights

By Human rights | June 30, 2008 12:34 AM

If the netherlands ministry of justice are not ready to grant the genuine asyllum seekers rights to be safe in their country they should hasten up their fast promising process of the decissions!In the first comment above you can feel that the person is in pains but really the inhuman circumstances is more than that eh!!!In the second comment you can see a pure racism in the message,how do you get safe when you are so unlucky to have your file in such hands whom are ready to detain you for life to be wasted.Every one keep telling you that it takes a luck to be granted a permit to stay not your situation or story,can you imagine?For example:let us start from here now,this posting must not contain racist but yet the second comment was pure racism and yet published!Ya ya this is one of the lucks in the system,another example,Four people from the same country of politial problems came to seek assylum in the netherlands and just one of them could provide evidences to his problems,but you know what,the others without proves got a positive answer and the other wounded person still waiting in the detention centre in the hope to be return back home even when their situations is still fresh in the hands of their attackers.The system should try more to be accurate,if there are no enough IND officials more should be recruited,talented people will not only had to their society but also create a good atmosphere for all.I hope this comment will be posted because this way people can know and the minister of justice also can help in the situation before more damages will be done to innocent peoples Destiny.HOP HOP HOLLAND!!!

By GGZ | June 30, 2008 6:46 AM

I think it's important to know who you are allowing into your country before you give them a safe haven. All of the 9/11 hijackers were in the US legally. In today's world, there's no such thing as too careful. In a country the size of The Netherlands, it wouldn't take many bad people to inflict a lot of damage. I see absolutely no problem in exercising caution when it comes to to immigration.

By Tim Lee | June 30, 2008 8:53 AM

There is so much discrimination in procedures in the Netherlands, and the IND is aware of this inhuman treatments. Asylum seekers in the Netherlands do not have social freedom, as other European countries.

Most of the background checks, carry out by the IND is done openly and some of the Asylum seekers usually end up losing some of their beloved parents, due to open investigations. It’s time now, for the Dutch authorities to look in to these problems, and to be sure that the IND investigates properly and protects the interest of the Asylum seekers in the Netherlands, and their families back home.

Why should the IND be keeping people in one place for years without answer? Some of this people are well to do human beings, and there is more crime in the Netherlands because people are jobless, and the system has created avenue for this genuine people that come to seek Asylum in the Netherlands only end up in frustrations and crimes.

Why is it that the Netherlands is all about drugs and other hard criminals stuff? Why is prostitution so attractive In the Netherlands? Why is it that the IND preferred to given permits to prostitutes than people who flee their countries for their dear lives?

The world is watching

By James | June 30, 2008 6:39 PM

This topic is very interesting. Concerning the IND, It’s no longer new that the way the IND is handling asylum procedure is becoming terrible even to the Dutch citizens themselves.

According to one of the comments stated above, some people who do not have any proofs or their country of origin, I mean without background are given residence permit to stay in Holland, while the ones who have all proofs of their Identity are denied permit to stay in Holland.

It’s now a tradition in the Netherlands that the more you give evidence and proofs of Identity to the IND the more they detain you in their detention camps. People seeking asylum in the Netherlands now preferred to claim other countries in order to gain urgent resident permit in Holland, because the IND is only concern in countries where there is war, and they forgot that the Netherlands citizens also are all over the world doing businesses and other things without discrimination of no way in Holland by the authorities of those countries.

The ministry of justice needs to look in to the asylum procedures in the Netherlands if they really care.

By Kelly | July 4, 2008 3:00 PM

Thanks to peaople who have contributed to this comments..iam one of the people in this situation, once i was provided a 3 year stay in Holland, during the time of changing my ID, i was being forced to Go to IOM and the consulate of my country, all this time i was signing papers stating, iam doing this by will, i did all my interviews in my home language with all time,interpreters by side, my consulate did not provide me a travel-document thus i was forced again to go to onother consulate, who denied me too..now i was being forced out of house, living all my property behind, and taken to a camp(return)i provided IND with documents from my country and told them my exact story, but after all this, i was put dawn, saying they believed nothing of this. Its like you tell someone ur room is painted green(and its really painted green)how would you feel if someone says. NO, ur room is not painted green but red!!!
I think IND is intrested in Quentin tarantino stories

By Menelik | April 13, 2009 4:53 PM

Because of my debt and credit, as a 26 year old who lost his house, owes the gov't 50k in loans, I can't go back. All the money I had in my account was garnished by credit card companies.

I can't go back, I need help on finding how to seek asylum in the Netherlands.

By Matt | April 18, 2009 12:27 AM