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Set up special villages away from normal folk for 'scum', says Wilders

Thursday 10 February 2011

Persistent troublemakers should be kept away from the rest of the population in special ‘scum villages’, Geert Wilders, leader of the anti-Islam PVV says in an interview with the Telegraaf on Thursday.

‘Repeat offenders should be forcibly removed from their neighbourhood and sent to a village for scum,’ Wilders said. ‘They will then be put into converted containers as homes. If juveniles are involved, their families should be moved too. Put all the trash together.’

They would only be allowed to return after working or studying for at least a year, Wilders said.

According to the Telegraaf, the idea comes from Denmark, where several cities have set up ‘skaeve huse’ to house people who cause a public nuisance.

There have already been several small-scale experiments in the Netherlands, including in Amsterdam, where several shipping container homes were set aside for persistent offenders.

© DutchNews.nl



 

Readers' Comments

So wilders wants to 'concentrate' undesirables in 'camps'. Hmm i think ive heard this before.

By Robert | 10 February 2011 8:20 AM

Not too long ago, the world defined this as 'apartheid' and it was codemned in the developing world. It's making a nice come back in NL apparently

By Bill | 10 February 2011 8:30 AM

*bites tongue*

By CW | 10 February 2011 8:50 AM

Human beings should never be called "scum". This lowers their self esteem and perpetuates their difficulty in becoming respected citizens. In stead of arrogantly rejecting these people society should accept the responsibility and challenge to help them live a fruitful life.

By Frans | 10 February 2011 9:08 AM

So... it's prison, without actually calling it prison?

By Jam | 10 February 2011 9:13 AM

Locking "undesirables" away in "villages"? Well, some time ago that was already practised across Europe. I guess this blonde (and hollow) gentleman would soon add Muslims, Homosexuals and others to the candidate list for those "villages". Mr. Wilders, what you want, is commonly referred to as Concentration Camp. When is this guy gonna end up behind bars finally?!

By waaahsabi | 10 February 2011 9:42 AM

Hmm... This sounds familiar... I can't put my finger on it, but this vaguely reminds me of something in history. Was it German history? No, not that. Maybe it was Polish, or Russian history?

Can't remember. Anyway, I'm sure it will come back to me.

By Anon | 10 February 2011 10:53 AM

Poor Mr Wilders. He has not had any real publicity for weeks so he has to come out with some outlandish statement. I can just imagine him sitting up in bed at night with a glass of warm milk and and reading a bookabout one of his favourite facsist dictators, then comes up with an idea. ''I know he thinks..l'll ring the newspaper tomorrow and tell them about my latest brain wave. It's so ridiculous that they are bound to run with it and then people will be talking about me again. Oh, I'm such a clever boy'', he thinks.

This moron is now just too comical for words. He is Hollands best comedian by far.

By Deep Throat | 10 February 2011 11:07 AM

Can we call them concentration camps? Pleeeease?

Does even Wilders take himself seriously anymore?

By Valentijn | 10 February 2011 11:15 AM

Ok, but that is not exactly re-educational is it? And if we should put really all the trash together, than that depends on the definition of "trash"... I think Geert Wilders' easy use of language is symptomatic of his consideration for humans overall

By dvd | 10 February 2011 12:30 PM

Looks like half the PVVers will be moving to a new house soon! Hah!

By John de Tokkie | 10 February 2011 12:45 PM

I don't think it's very wise of mr. Wilders to propose that. PVV already has a shortage of people, and if all convicts from PVV are moved to these villages, the shortage problem will only get worse.

By immigrant (on my way out) | 10 February 2011 12:47 PM

This is sooo stupid! First of all, you cannot possibly put a young thief with a sex offender or abuser as neighbours, how can you do that? Why do you not analyse, find and solve the reason(s)? Why do those young (and adult) people go for crimes, hate and perversion whilst living among your "righetous", "perfect" neighbourhoods? What makes you sure, you can "correct" those troublemakers within a scum environment? This is freaking crazy, shocking!

By MSB | 10 February 2011 1:25 PM

I already know what we can call them!

"concentration camps"

/sarcasm

By LJK | 10 February 2011 1:31 PM

For the Muslims and Polish people, of course.

What I find interesting is that there are at least three PVV parliamentarians who would fit the version of "scum" as they are persistant public nuisances. We ask Mr wilders to confirm that they are candidates for the villages.....

By Joop | 10 February 2011 1:34 PM

the proper place for trouble-makers is jail. no need for new housing.

By joanna | 10 February 2011 1:46 PM

mmm...concentration camps for the future?

By Jason Buttle | 10 February 2011 2:45 PM

These news items attract usually most attention and also most comments. (Have a look at telegraaf.nl, more then 1000 comments.) And that is exactly what Wilders wants. Because he knows perfectly well that this won't happen. It is better to ignore this nonsense.

By pepe | 10 February 2011 2:59 PM

I couldn't agree more, brilliant idea!

By Peter | 10 February 2011 3:00 PM

how low is he scraping the barrel this time.
some people will do anything for publicity!

By sef | 10 February 2011 3:25 PM

90 percent of his voters will be put in these camps. I'd say go for it! PVV will soon be out of business...

By jay | 10 February 2011 3:50 PM

Come on! This time Wilders is right, we must be able to find a place for him out there.

By Joop | 10 February 2011 4:29 PM

Not that I agree with it (I don't), but to all those who liken this to German concentration camps - shame on you for cheapening Hitler's attempt to eradicate Jews from the face of the earth! This is very different in that no single race, religion, sex or belief system is targeted - I believe repeat offenders cross all social, economic and heritage strata. And I certainly DON'T believe that the goal of this is to murder all these people, but rather an attempt to find a way of separating them from law-abiding society. Since from what I've seen, the judicial system here is loathe to protect the majority by incarcerating criminal offenders, this is trying another path (misguided).

By tls | 10 February 2011 4:44 PM

For goodness sake Geert, have some sense, you'll loose half your buddies

By radio junkie | 10 February 2011 6:10 PM

Most commentators will look at this idea and do exactly the same thing Wilders often does: vilifying people and taking an argument to its extreme: calling him a National Socialist and referring to concentration camps. This does nothing to promote a sensible conversation about what society should do to limit the damage and inconvenience a small core of people cause their fellow citizens. Ask the people whose lives are soured daily by petty crime and ill behaviour, how they feel about these miscreants. Ask them what lable they would use to describe them. But don't ask them for the solution, because it will be much like Wilders's.

By Theo | 10 February 2011 6:27 PM

It's been tried in Denmark. Let's investigate their model, see how things turned out. Being sent to such a community could prove to be actually easier on the perps than being put in prison. The important thing is to protect the decent, law abiding citizenry.

By Paula | 10 February 2011 6:40 PM

Great idea but we should think of a few names..How about Scumburg or Scumkerk ...maybe Wilders should take charge.King of the scumheads! What a great thinker you are Geert..

By Edward Ka-Spel | 10 February 2011 7:01 PM

Isn't Mr Wilders one of the scum? He has a long history of creating trouble and not paying for that so what better candidate to inaugurate the villages

By expat | 10 February 2011 7:41 PM

What's good for the Danes could be good for the Dutch too.

By Dieter | 10 February 2011 8:43 PM

This idea is currently in efect in Denmark and it seems to work fine there.

By Brian van R | 10 February 2011 8:56 PM

First, he should start with his MPs, An great number of them doesn't know the basics of social life.

By dave | 10 February 2011 11:36 PM

We can't ignore it this blond twit. He's an effective operator, and he knows that when he opens his mouth, some credulous media outlet gets a story. And, inexorably, the debate moves to the Right. This country has already passed judgment on how much of a muslim schoolgirl's chin can legitimately be covered by a veil. Without Wilders, that would have been unthinkable.

He's setting the agenda by stealth.

By Whisky Tango Foxtrot | 10 February 2011 11:57 PM

I'm disappointed, hope this has been mis-translated. Criminals should be in jail and then helped to become productive members of society. Their families should be left out of it - for goodness sake GW must know that the first victims of sex offenders are often their very own families!!

By Sam | 11 February 2011 1:12 AM

It is really a shame that a fantastic project that has been running in Denmark since 1999 has been taken hostage by Wilders. "Skaeve huse til skaeve eksistenser","freak houses for homeless people". The project was a pilot until 2008 and have now been made permanent. The project is not about isolating scum from the rest of us, one of the original objectives was to support integration of these people with a problematic background. You can find an article about the project here: http://www.feantsa.org/files/freshstart/Communications/Homeless%20in%20Europe%20EN/PDF_2009/Homeless%20in%20Europe_Winter2008.pdf

By Nanny Lauridsen | 11 February 2011 7:16 AM

Nanny: thank you very much for clarifying that for the other readers and outsiders!

By Bill | 11 February 2011 8:59 AM

Hey thanks for the article, Nanny. I was going to look for one myself, but you kindly did the work for me :) It states that the Danish program was set up to help *homeless people* from "socially exposed" groups, i.e., NOT criminals. The comparison of Wilders' stupid, short-sighted (surprise!) idea with the program is Denmark is faulty, in my opinion. The Denmark program seems to have been borne out of a sense of compassion to help homeless people reintroduce themselves into society, not punish those whom Wilders sees as nuisances.

And I agree, instantly equating this idea with Nazi concentration camps is a knee-jerk reaction, but perhaps one should consult the newspapers of the day and see how the "ghettos" were justified - no one really knew what was truly going on until it was far, far too late. Thus, speaking up at the first mention of similar ideas is paramount to ensuring that history is not repeated.

By Milk container | 11 February 2011 10:46 AM

@Edward, how about we name it Scumstelveen, 't Scum, Scumdorp a/d Amstel (maybe a river village makes it more fun to live there?)

By Rick Kane | 11 February 2011 12:48 PM

Scumdijk?
Scum op Zoom?
Scummendaal?
Scumstede?
Scummenaar?
Scumdam?
Scumstricht?

I do wonder how "scum" will be selected since they won't necessarily be criminals (otherwise they'd be in jail, and making Scumddorf unnecessary)...democratic vote? A board of Scumseekers?

What if they vote to send Wilders to one? One man's hero is another man's scum, afterall...

By CW | 11 February 2011 4:15 PM

Our PM has responded to this idea: He said we already have these places. They are called prisons.

By pepe | 11 February 2011 4:54 PM

In practice this idea is abhorent. However, it can be applied to homelessness.
Criminals should be sent to prison, lose their liberty etc.
Wilders is a fool. If he really wants this to happen why doesn't he set it up in his back garden?

By Andy | 11 February 2011 5:44 PM

I don't think removing people with problems from society will help them integrate back in.

By Nick | 11 February 2011 8:43 PM

This may be a good idea alright but not the BEST one. Has anyone heard of Bastay Island?? Now thats a very good idea!! There are lots of UNDERDISERIABLES in the USA that need to be there as well!!

By howard de barfield | 11 February 2011 10:29 PM

Scum is what one finds at the top.
I believe Mr. Wilders is referring to dregs.
In any case, it might be good to put the scum and the dregs together and separate both classes from "the rest of us".

By Pyx Findlekind | 12 February 2011 3:31 PM

Can we please start ignoring this man?!… Look at the Opinion page here in Dutchnews, it's all Wilders!
Please, we're all intelligent and strong enough to know this won't happen.
Let him preach to his floc until the day he'll be eaten by his own monsters.

By hugo | 12 February 2011 5:19 PM

If Wilders had presented this in an appropriate way and without harsh language, we wld not have such a reaction. He is NOT singling out any one "group" except criminals ! It is idea maybe good or maybe bad which can be explored, altered restructered etc or maybe fianlly not adoptedor adopted(just as the denmark experiment).

By roy | 12 February 2011 5:57 PM

I don't understand why the libs are complaining about this-- haven't they done the same thing through multiculturalism, encouraging immigrants from non-western countries to stay in their own communities and not integrate?

By Sarah | 13 February 2011 11:39 AM

How about I get a new house in a "good people" village for being such a good citizen?

By Michelangelo | 14 February 2011 8:25 AM

i feel deeply ashamed for my country

By Flow | 14 February 2011 10:38 PM

I haven't seen his comment as a whole yet (can anyone link me?), but is there not a chance - based purely on the information provided by this article - that he was referring to troublemaking people in general and not just troublemaking Muslims? Was he perhaps suggesting that rather than locking persistent offenders up in cells, give them a chance to work or study in the real world (not a prison environment) instead? Apparently after only 1 year of work or study, they are granted the opportunity to move back to their neighbourhood. How can this be a bad thing? Please look past preconceptions and phrasing and try to examine the actual content of what's being said.

By kate | 15 February 2011 1:40 PM

It's a fact that the Danish Skaeve Huse system works.

It's not a concentration camp and it's not a prison. It's a place for us to live, have freedom but also help and support when we need it.

All you people saying you're ashamed to be Dutch should be ashamed of yourselfs.

By Skaever | 15 February 2011 3:26 PM

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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