The calculation should be based on the type of work those people are likely to do and the amount of pay they will take. Most of these people do the dirty jobs the originally people will never ever dream of taking at even a million an hour. They do all the dirty and hard work just for cents.They fought all the wars and build the nation with their strength but not with their money.Their contribution can never be paid by the society. consider from slavery era to the Indonesia wars. which people were used? yes we need them when there are dirty jobs to be done.Yes that is..

By kwabena | July 22, 2009 9:06 AM

Dosee this party actually ask or involve itself in anything other than the subject of immigration? Guess not and then they dream of being the leaders of the nation on a one-issue platform. So much for representing the people....

By Solkhar | July 22, 2009 9:29 AM

Will the pro-immigrant organizations calculate, that how much damages done to the dutch interest/businesses globally by the PVV compaigns and how much hatred was created domestically and globally? How much companies/organizations left and how much are preparing to leave? How much expert left and how much are preparing to leave ? PVV is "Talibinazation" of a different kind.

By jerry | July 22, 2009 10:32 AM

How blatently racist to state 'non-Western immigrants'. Has this idiot no idea of the number of Japanese, Indian and other 'non-Western' countries that invest in this small plot of earth, and how many highly skilled and qualified people from said countries bring their knowledge (and tax revenue) here?

On a value for money scale, these politicians are far less valuable than any immigrant.

By osita | July 22, 2009 11:14 AM

Outsource from Hindustan(India) for all types of jobs in the NL and the Indian Hindus will culturally absorb into the main stream within few generations. In Hinduism Raja(Politics) and Priest ( religion) are always separate and the Indians wont do any harm to the migrated country.

By balu_india | July 22, 2009 11:43 AM

This a farce that is meant to hype up immigration in the media, and nothing more!

Why not just do a study on what everyone cost society relative to what they put in? My guess is that a low income immigrant costs less then a low income native. The low income (and sometimes high income)immigrants are willing to do many jobs that low income natives would not even consider.

Also, why just non-westerners in this study? I as a western immigrant am lumped into the same rules for the most part as a non-western immigrant. Certainly my taxes balance out many of the low income immigrants, just as higher income natives balance it out for the low income natives.

By Quest | July 22, 2009 12:31 PM

And the amount of income-tax revenue lost from ethnic Dutch emigrants who would leave (or have already left) the country for fear of a PVV government? Probably MUCH higher than the cost of immigration I suspect!

By Andy | July 22, 2009 1:59 PM

We talk about migrants, what about import / export of commodities. Netherlands is 5th largest exporter. If you dont like people coming in from non-western countries, why the hell you do business with them as well. Globalisation is not only one way, its always both ways. In India, initially it was taken as a threat to local businesses, but now it proved that they have made most out of it..

By Non-dutch | July 22, 2009 3:08 PM

I know this Dutch woman, with two kids, no longer babies, and she can work just fine, but no, she prefers to live on the government money and go shopping. I guess she does not count in this survey.

This "separation" is another lame populist attempt, give me a break Mr Wilders!
I pay taxes of 40 per cent each year in this country, it is burning my pockets, but hey, what can you do. The only time I get outraged I pay so much tax is when a bleached populist such as Wilders orders these kind of surveys.

By ehh | July 22, 2009 3:41 PM

It would also be interesting to calculate how much the state is spending on the security of Geert Widers in comparison to other members of parliament and also in comparison to what he is paying in taxes.

By A. Balunywaa | July 22, 2009 3:55 PM

I'd also like to know the following
- How much does the average western immigrant contribute to society/gov/tax in general compared to a native?
- What is the impact of the average native as far as society/gov/tax?

Geert Wilders is a clown, a one trick political pony who needs to be melted down just like his political idol wanted with the Jews/Gays in Germany all those years ago.

By Kris | July 22, 2009 4:03 PM

They should also review the revenues which are brought in by high-skilled immigrants who pay taxes within some of the highest tax brackets.
Oh also there should be a report published on the expenses of all these politicians..

By S | July 22, 2009 4:08 PM

The financial impact on Dutch society by immigration, east or west, should be a consideration. And I wouldn't pretend to know how one might quantify it. But financial considerations are only one aspect.
First, one should determine whether or not additional people are needed---any people. Then, if people are needed, what kind of people? Logic would dictate that those who share race, ethnicity, religion, value system, etc. are far more likely to result in compatibility than , say, a people whose values are diametrically opposed to everything we purportedly believe in.
It's time to apply a bit of common sense to the issue of immigration.

By Ron Slade Sr. | July 22, 2009 4:08 PM

The financial impact on Dutch society by immigration, east or west, should be a consideration. And I wouldn't pretend to know how one might quantify it. But financial considerations are only one aspect.
First, one should determine whether or not additional people are needed---any people. Then, if people are needed, what kind of people? Logic would dictate that those who share race, ethnicity, religion, value system, etc. are far more likely to result in compatibility than , say, a people whose values are diametrically opposed to everything we purportedly believe in.
It's time to apply a bit of common sense to the issue of immigration.

By Ron Slade Sr. | July 22, 2009 4:08 PM

If every country does what Netherlands is doing now, it will be the end of globalization and end of humanity.
Good work Wilders and lets see how many idiots are there to follow you.
at the same time, i will ask all Dutch people to return home and baned from holidays in other countries.
Is this the type of world you want???

By The Almighty | July 22, 2009 4:22 PM

Once again respected country fellow Geert Wilders and his party PVV shocked (felt deep pain in my heart and soul)!!

Its quite unfortunate that the distinction has been made and the non-western migrants are the 'Bad Guyas'
in this situation!

Its only an attempt to create bigger gulf among us and to crush the peace and harmony within our nation.

The Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS)might have some details on the required information by the PVV and that should be sufficient.

But if our ministries follows the demand of the PVV, that would be a a great mistake, because the PVV would use these figures in their election agenda (local governments and Parliaments) certainly helping them to get over whelming majority to form PVV's government (they are already at the top of opinion polls).

I hope all those who love our country and love to live in peace and harmony would suggest the government/miniseries not to follow the demands.

By Khalid Ahmed Chaudry | July 22, 2009 4:22 PM

The dutch NEVER stop complaining about every immigrant from everywhere and it's getting pretty old.
Then they have their 2 law state.
If you are born dutch you can hold another passport... if you were born elsewhere you CANNOT. So all of the immigrants here ARE second class citizens already. You either aren't Dutch or you are deprived of freedoms BORN dutch nationals have.
They can keep their passport.

By EX-PAT | July 22, 2009 4:42 PM

at least this party isnt as bad as the BNP in the UK, although both are no good, i do believe that immigration should be controlled, NL is a small country after all, BUT this is NOT the way to go about it, its like hunting rabbits with a rocket launcher, the right wing is usually bad

By adhd | July 22, 2009 5:35 PM

Its a valid question. It would be interesting to know the answer. Europe is being used, and destroyed from within. Letting in immigrants who despise Dutch culture, yet live off Dutch tax-payers is a joke. No question should be off limits, stop this political correctness.

By James | July 22, 2009 5:50 PM

that statement by Geert wilders is racist and totally unacceptable,such statement will continue to create hatred much for the dutch people in their land and even globally as a whole.The parliament of Netherlands needs to remove such sucks racist in their society.

By Adekunle | July 22, 2009 7:47 PM

The question is very interesting, but I suspect the answer is not what Wilders expects.

By Leonardo | July 23, 2009 9:12 AM

What a jerk !! How much do you cost to this country versus the the tax you pay Mr.Wilders? I'm sure in "cost per benefit" calculation you would come on the last page of the list.

Also, who says non-western people go to doctor more or so? I'm a highly skilled immigrant here, go to doctor once a year. When I go there, most of the people waiting are old native Dutchs. If I want, I can go more because I pay for the insurance anyway, not your government. What is your "reason of existance" in this universe? Do something clever ever once.

By Oz | July 23, 2009 9:26 AM

@ Solkhar

I would suggest to atleast do some research before stating that PVV isnt representing the people. Recent trouw.nl poll (currently 3443 voters) has shown that 78% agrees upon the fact that the government should help with this cost analysis.

@ EX-PAT

Could you please eleborate on your text because I personally believe you are making a mistake here. If I for example want to live in the USA I have to give up on my Dutch nationality so where did you get the idea that Dutch people can hold two passports?

By Polkal | July 23, 2009 10:08 AM

I would say the opposite ...

How much does it cost to Tax Payers the protection of all the members of pvv and its president !!!???

Only the armord car of this crazy and stupid politicus (wilders) ??? cost more than 500.000 euro + body guards ,+ home surveillance, + its protection +, +,+...also for others members van pvv...
And if we do the accounts... we will see that pvv cost us much more than the double of the total of non western immigrants cost.

It is a pity that always this pvv come's with these reactions unfounded and stupid and i wonder when these men arrive at the age of te politic maturity !!!???

By Azeddine Lairini | July 23, 2009 11:35 AM

I know nothing about all this or care really. I am just curious why it's never mentioned how much it costs for a foreigner to move to this country! I'm an American but I am sure I had to pay the same fees as anyone else! They make you jump through 100 hoops and throw oodles of money at them and then still send stuff back saying the picture isn't right, and so on. You didn't sign it with blood? too bad so sad! LOL

I am still bitter over having to travel from Heerlen to Eindhoven to get my latest resident permit. It used to be handed out at the local police station but this time I had to spend a tank of car fuel or a train ticket (same price either way) to go to a building for 5 min and get it. SIGH!

By Laura K. | July 23, 2009 12:18 PM

I usually respect Geert Wilders and Sietse Fritsma because I know that they are not racists at all and they are pro Israel and pro gay rights. But this is simply wrong, this type of investigation directed at immigrants, especially non Western immigrants is discrimination and is sort of a lost cause and can backfire on those who do contribute to the Netherlands, especially affect trade and export because people are getting very insulted with the anti immigrant attitudes by the politicians that try to copy PVV by turning against all immigrants, even those who are innocent. To be specific, VVD and PVDA are trying to swing to the far right thinking they can steal votes from PVV by trying to be harsher then PVV, even by turning against Western immigrants and peaceful middle eastern immigrants that contribute a lot to the Netherlands and Europe. VVD and PVDA are the ones who lump all immigrants together, even those who have contributed to society and never broke the law. However, it is not unreasonable to investigate ALL people regardless of nationality meaning western and non western immigrants, also Dutch nationals, and that means Dutch citizens too who abuse it. The focus has gone too much on immigrants only, it should focus on all people. I can name at least three Dutch nationals who live in my city that fake mental illness in order to get out of work and collect welfare and they are not Moroccan Dutch or Turkish Dutch who I am talking about. VVD needs to remember that they are the ones who changed the laws making it very difficult for immigrants to collect any type of welfare so this may end up blowing up in someones faces and embarrass the government. I also think that people need to lay off the negitive media reports of Morocco or Moroccan Dutch citizens. It is not fair to slam an entire ethnicity and rich culture of these beautiful people because of a few hooligans that need better parenting by their parents and a chance to get a job without being discriminated against. There are also far right hooligans that cause much trouble, if not worse. Why is the media not focussed on that?

By sandra | July 23, 2009 12:20 PM

How about how much educated and non educated cost and contribute and target better education for all. That would allow all individuals to contribute to society regardless of origin.

By hlm | July 23, 2009 5:59 PM

I need someone to analyse the cost of the time I waste reading Wilders news in the past year.what a useless hypocrite he is.
His attitude doesn't deserve any kind of response as they are simply trash, poorly thought and not worthy of dicussion.
Hope other Dutchs are not as racist as he is.
It is globalisation. you can't close your door while you enter other doors freely in different ways. it should work bothways.

By Mekias | July 24, 2009 3:33 PM

#Polka, if the government accepted the inquiry or not, there have been enough polls that show what levels Wilders has, not of which indicate that he will be anything but in the margins.
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Wilders can play with percent increases as much as he likes because at low figures any movement then can be made out as a high increase.

Also do not forget how many of the votes for Wilders is not a vote for his single-issue (and bigoted) view but actually just a vote of lack of confidence in the existing main parties.

The fact remains that Wilders is a minority, his single-issues ensures that as well as the Dutch peoples respect for humanity. There will be no extreme radical-right coups in Western Europe, the 1920s and 30s did not have the open free mass media that allowed for mass ignorance.

By Solkhar | July 25, 2009 11:45 AM

I tried to read most comments but the ignorance stopped me, Holland my country of birth and more than 40 generations, is losing it's own culture and identity because of immigrants that are demanding that we adapt to their way of life,wrong!! they have to adapt to our way of life, they choose to come here nobody made them, as in any country in the world you have to abide by it's rules and regulations.

By linda | August 18, 2009 4:29 AM

@linda, you are totally right. but if me as an immigrant, i choose to come to your country and i respect all your rules, i also demand to be respected. which doesn't happen in most of the cases. so stop saying that without "looking in your own yard" first.

By Chris | September 28, 2009 8:54 AM