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Christians can't vote for Wilders, say vicars

Thursday 25 February 2010

A Christian cannot vote for Geert Wilders' anti-immigration party PVV, say 75% of church leaders in a poll of 1,200 ministers and church workers in the Nederlands Dagblad.

The ministers represent a cross-section of all the Netherlands' Protestant churches, representing 2.3 million people, the paper says.

One third of the people polled said there were people who supported Wilders in their communities and 5% said Wilders had a lot of support.

'Wilders and the PVV's views contradict Christianity,’ one minister told the paper.

© DutchNews.nl



 

Readers' Comments

This is a genuine and pleasant surprise! Nice to hear some positive news.

By Chi | 25 February 2010 3:10 PM

If 75% of the church leaders oppose the PVV, and if a significant number of Christians vote for the PVV, then this would be a good indication of how much the church leadership is disconnected with their own constituency.

By K. Leinwand | 25 February 2010 3:24 PM

This makes little sense...

Perhaps the views go against Christianity, but so do a lot of other things that us Christans do.

By B | 25 February 2010 3:29 PM

The church can not and will not tell me or anyone else who i decide to vote for. Isn't church and state supposed to be separate in this country?

By bluebird | 25 February 2010 3:42 PM

Bluebird,

no the Netherlands is far from being a secular state. Simple matter of fact!

By john | 25 February 2010 4:02 PM

No wonder the churches are empty. These church 'leaders' are completely out of touch.

By LDN | 25 February 2010 4:40 PM

Keep these religious phonies out of our business. We should be a secular nation.

By Anonymous | 25 February 2010 9:26 PM

Another example of why it's important to ignore anything and everything clergy and church leaders have to say. Christianity is a nothing but a cult and a scam people. Wake up.

By Josh | 26 February 2010 2:40 AM

People will vote for who they want! religion should be stay out of government and politics. Nobody on this earth can tell me who I vote for!

By sandra | 26 February 2010 7:45 AM

Jesus was quite clear that we owe a duty to the state, which has to be separate from our duty and obedience to God. Therefore, not defending a state such as the Netherlands, which is essentially based on Christian principles, and letting it become an Islamic sharia hell-hole, would not just be against Christianity, but would put in mortal danger, women, ethnic minorities of faiths other the Islam, as well as homosexuals. In essence, these Christian pastors are sacrificing the above vulnerable people on the altar of the sanctimony – they don’t care if homosexuals or adulterers stoned to death.

It is clear that these vicars are taking a very narrow view of Christianity. Christianity is a very complex faith, sub-divided on many levels, and cannot be simplistically interpreted, such as sharia can. To take an example,"Thou shall not murder", would mean that no Christian faith would be able to defend itself against aggression - an example of a childish and simplistic understanding of the Bible.

By DaveP | 26 February 2010 11:01 AM

Completely correct DaveP and even more seriously, why aren't these ministers fulfilling the command to Spread the gospel?

When Jesus was walking to town one day, he got hungry. So he saw a fig tree and decided to go eat from it, but when he got close he found the tree had no figs at all, only leaves. He cursed the tree and it withered away.

Most of the churches today are just like that fig tree, never bearing any fruits anymore, which explains why they are dying out.

By Chrispium | 26 February 2010 12:35 PM

DaveP
If Netherlands is based on Christian principles, how come murder is allowed in the form of abortion and euthanasia? Netherlands "should" be based on Christian principles but it has lost its way, big time, and from the above posts you will see that the people appear not to want to hear the word 'Christian', let alone live by it.
Wilders is not trying to defend Christianity or its principles, or trying to defend NL from sharia law; please, you are being quite ridiculous. Xenophobia and seeing human beings as inferior is sinful. Hatefulness is sinful and the PVV is spreading hate, which only brings on a similar response from the affected parties.
The Church leaders are quite correct in opposing a doctrine of hate, and you can see that there is a lot of venom even in the above posts. God help NL to overcome this, if we are worthy.

By AC | 26 February 2010 1:52 PM

Thank you Chrispium.

I should have said, “ Thou shall not kill”. This would mean that all nations based on Christian principles, which means all Western nations, would be doctrinally banned from using violence to eject an invader. On the other hand, all Christians are required to protect the weak and vulnerable. So where do we go from here?

Netherlands, like most European nations is founded on the ongoing understanding of Christianity. ‘Tolerance’ is an essential feature of Christianity, but by itself, it is obvious that the principle of ‘Tolerance’ becomes suicidal. Then the very faith that gave rise to modern liberal attitudes will die, and with it all that we are now.

How does one non-violently defend our society, if the aggressor is doctrinally violent, as is the case of Islam. Islam spread by the sword, and retains its voters by the threat of beheading, if they dare to leave the Islamic fold. Islam at this moment in history is not invading Europe by the sword. However it is doing so demographically, and by appeasement of Islam generated from fear of Muslims. Whatever may be the method of invasion, our Christian or post-Christian society, is being systematically whittled down. Eventually nothing will remain, which will lead to Sharia, and the flogging of petty criminals, stoning to death of homosexuals, and beheading of adulterers.

The PVV offers a legal and civilised avenue to resist, and eventually reduce the existential threat that Islam poses. As such, all right minded people should support it as a matter of principle – for no principle is as important as the one of self-defence. As for Christian pastors, the PVV allows them the same opportunity to oppose Islam in a peaceful manner, and thus defend the weak and vulnerable in their flock.

Christianity is not a suicidal faith. It has a duty to defend the weak and vulnerable. If it was suicidal, then all those hundreds of thousands of very devout Christians, in many instances led by devout monks, who sacrificed their lives in ejecting the Islamic hordes from Europe, must have seriously misunderstood their faith. Thankfully they did not, and understood that the sword is morally neutral, and can be used for good or evil. Their sacrifice of blood, led to the ejection of Islam from Europe, and the birth of Western civilisation. I have a feeling that these vicars are taking on a responsibility of what constitutes ‘good’ or ‘evil’ on a Universal basis. If so, they are taking on the role of God, and that constitutes the very serious sin of vanity. Let them just defend a truly decent nation such as the Netherlands, and the charges in their care, and let God be the judge of Universal Good, or what is the fate of Islam and Muslims in the world or Europe.

If it ever comes to a civil war in Europe, which looks increasingly likely, I sincerely hope that the vicars and priests of the future, will hitch up their cassocks and come out with swords, just as their ancestor priests and monks did in the past, this time though ensuring the continuation of Western civilisation.

By DaveP | 26 February 2010 2:16 PM

Use logic people.

Fighting AGAINST intolerance is not intolerance. Mr. Wilders if fighting for freedom pure and simple.

By Peter | 24 May 2010 10:03 PM

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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