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Kilometer tax info will be used by stateWednesday 18 November 2009 Information stored in the kilometer tax meters every driver must have in 2012 will be used by government investigators if the 'security of the state' is at risk, the Telegraaf claims on Wednesday. Police and security service investigators will also be able to access the information in the 'prevention, detection and pursuit of criminal acts', the paper says. The information comes from 'an explanation of the draft legislation', the paper says, without giving sources. On Friday ministers gave the green light to the the implementation of the kilometer tax for all drivers. Each car on the roads will be fitted with a GPS device which will use satellites to monitor where and when the car is driven and send the information to a central billing point. The ministry said on Friday the information collected about motoring habits would be 'legally and technically' protected and would not be accessible to other government agencies. Big Brother 'It is a real Big Brother is watching you story,' said Liberal MP Charlie Aptrots in the Telegraaf. But ChristenUnie MP Ernst Cramer said the fuss about privacy is exaggerated. '[Information stored on] my supermarket bonus card and mobile phone mean my life is already out in the open,' he said. The Telegraaf has mounted a strong campaign against the kilometer tax since last week. Will the tax cut traffic jams? Take part in our poll © DutchNews.nl Get the DutchNews.nl newsletter in your mailbox: Click here to subscribe
Looks like the Nazi's never left power... I wonder what Anne Frank would say? This is too much power for ANY government to be trusted with. It violates EVERY right to privacy and freedom of movement. If the Dutch are such passive sheep, then every other fascist regime on the planet will try it. Don't they have ANY backbone to stand up to such a vile dictatorship? By harlow there | November 18, 2009 10:34 AM This tax is just an excuse to track people. They could do the same in a lot better way, like it's done in Poland. Tax is supposed to be based on mileage, engine capacity and car weight (the last one is what they do currently), so that it reflects level of road usage and polluting environment. In Poland it's solved in extremally simple way - road tax is added to fuel price, so the more you drive, the heavier your car is and the more you stand in traffic jams, the more of that tax you have to pay. Even better - now there's a problem in NL that residents are forced to pay road tax, so they can't have a car registered abroad. With that tax in fuel, it wouldn't matter where the car is registered, tax couldn't be avoided. Also tourists coming from abroad for weekend, using Dutch roads, would pay tax this way. And it's all achieved without a need for buying additional tracking devices nor violating privacy. By Konio | November 18, 2009 10:38 AM It looks as though the Netherlands is going down the long slippery slope to complete surveillance of the citizens. Exactly the same as the UK has. By Karl H | November 18, 2009 10:42 AM Mr Cramer has the choice to use a store card or not, to use an anonymous pre-paid phone or not. He's not giving us the choice to remain anonymous on the road. By Chris | November 18, 2009 10:55 AM what a brilliant idea...not, and just one little thought what if the car is from another country and therefore doesn't have this tracking device, i'm guessing that they think that this type of criminal is that stupid...duh think a little government! By jeff | November 18, 2009 11:03 AM This is great, we won't have to worry about speed cameras anymore because our speed can be calculated from the data the GPS will send back to HQ. Just think, it'll be just like having a speed camera every 10 meters on every road in The Netherlands - can't wait!!! By An English man in The netherlands | November 18, 2009 11:12 AM We live in a democracy. By Democracy | November 18, 2009 11:39 AM This is ridiculous, together with OVB Card, Bonus card, mobile phone and GPS in your card, you are exposing to be all the time monitored. People please wake up! We are going towards Orwell dark world faster then ever!!!! By United Cuntology | November 18, 2009 11:47 AM i am sure that is people go to the european court of human rights, the netherlands will loose the case. By kos | November 18, 2009 11:56 AM This is a clear example of tracking citizens. It is not bad enough that the OV-Chip tracks your every movement on public transportation. Yes you can buy an anonymous card but you pay for it with PIN or Credicard. That in conjunction with mandatory registration of all people living in the Netherlands. They do have our entire history and movements if this passes. The argument that cell phone and AH discount card leave my privacy in the open is a classic deflection tactic. At the end of the day our CC, Phone and PIN card give away to much to begin with. Let's not forget that the Netherlands taps more phones that any other country in the world based on population. http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/11/the_netherlands_carries_on_tap.php By Daniel S. | November 18, 2009 11:57 AM If the data is so safe and innocuous, politicians won't mind the public having access to full details of their journeys then. Or will they find some way of being exempt? By Craig | November 18, 2009 12:38 PM I wonder they will go to the extend to use this GPS to catch people who exceed their driving speed limit or even breaking the red traffic lights. By Hoo | November 18, 2009 3:47 PM I thought the Netherlands was enlightened and free. No I know it is just another corporate prison like England and the United States. Perhaps a civil war is in order in these countries. I'm ready and willing. Ooops that'll piss off the ultra panoid in these gov't , eh? Screw them all. It is time to rise up and take our countries back from these authoritarian fascists. By Robert | November 18, 2009 3:59 PM The Netherlands is already a police state.. sadly much of the population still beleive the propaganda in the dutch press and TV, and don't see the blatent dangers of a country where a) 70% of all phone calls are tapped, b) all foreigners are fingerprinted (as also are the natives since this year), c) that the country is already dangerously right wing, and about to vote in Geert Wilders.. it's like nobody here ever read 20th century history. As for tracking people via the Km tax.. they already do that via your mobile phone anyway.. so the Km tax is probably another way of squeezing yet more money from the people than anything else. Or perhaps it's a back-up system to track us should our mobile phone battery ever run low. When will people realise that we elect these jokers to REPRESENT us, not screw us? By Andy | November 18, 2009 4:48 PM Since the Balk-elende bible-related- government took over, it has done so much damage to our privacy that we *should* be entitled to. The P-P-K system is an unnecessary blatant insult to our privacy! Traffic jams will not be less, this is just not logical. Being able to track anyone, anytime is the real reason behind the new scheme. This will give the police even more power. How will they track people that do not use a cell-phone, always make cash transactions, ride only mopeds and pushbikes, and conceal their savings hidden at home instead of the bank and avoid public transport? It's so sad to see this country that was once a great place to live in, turn so sour, and so quickly under this selfish bible-related totalitarian government! By stevie | November 18, 2009 4:59 PM I don't understand all the shouting above. Hwy do you worry if you do not break the law. All those who write their concerns here are simply law breakers and they must be caught and punished if they break the law. Otherwise why you worry? nobody is going to do anything with you. By Dutch | November 18, 2009 6:43 PM @dutch. By kos | November 19, 2009 6:06 AM Just another excuse to force us to pay more taxes! Well I will stop driving then because I refuse to pay more taxes. I bet the Belgians aren´t going to be forced to pay us taxes as they are always driving on our streets as well! By sandra | November 19, 2009 6:45 AM @Dutch By Andy | November 19, 2009 10:16 AM This was proposed by the British government but has not been legestated. Of course, it will be at some point along with the IMP programme in the UK. It seems that EU countries are following a similar trend. So, why are people not protesting, or are they content to live in this type of world, or they too scared to complain, or at worst, think it won't happen to them. At some point it wil be too late, and like has happened in England and Wales, your right to protest will be curtailed. If you are, then comments like Scary, are flippent and worthless. By John P | November 19, 2009 10:54 AM Place your comments: |
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This is really scary. Especially from the country which already has the most phone taps in the world...
By José Pedro Magalhães | November 18, 2009 9:48 AM