blah blah blah... let's scare everyone into doing what they say, right?

Do you have a link to that website to object?

By Laura | November 9, 2009 1:26 PM

Even though I am Pregnant and have a 2 year old. NOBODY in my household will be getting the vaccination. Especially the "Baxter" ones!

By Tina | November 9, 2009 2:33 PM

This is not helping and neither is the above comment. My wife is 6.5 months pregnant and I have 2.5 year old toddler.

Both are in "at risk" groups. The logical decision is for both of them to be vaccinated. From what I read, this vaccine is similar to the seasonal flu vaccine which has a good safety record. Every time we come close to a decision on whether to have this vaccine, or not, we hear more opinionated rhetoric of conspiracy theories - this is not helping a serious debate.

Can anyone with a scientific or medical background give sound, unbiased and unemotional advice on whether to have this vaccine?

By Owen | November 9, 2009 2:48 PM

It is similar to the flu vaccine, but that has been around for a long time. The H1N1 hasn't been out long enough for tests and studied to be done. 5 people have died from having the vaccine in Sweden. I am sure there are more, but finding out that information will be hard.

Nobody with "a scientific or medical background give sound, unbiased and unemotional advice on whether to have this vaccine" because it hasn't been out long enough!

By Tina | November 9, 2009 3:29 PM

"But 62% of the 2,072 children polled don't want an injection at all." Not an unusual response considering they are children and have not formed fully informed opinions on the matter. In fact that also applies to the scaremongers too.

By Bob | November 9, 2009 3:56 PM

These 5 people that died in Sweden ... was it the same vaccine that is prescribed in the Netherlands (Pandemrix)? Did they have egg allergies or underlying health problems? If you are basing your opinion on this fact alone, would you care to share your evidence with everyone?

I disagree that a vaccine needs to have been in circulation long enough to see the results as you (Tina) obviously already have an opinion you are keen to share with the community.

I am still looking for an unbiased, unemotional and informed "opinion" ...

By Owen | November 9, 2009 4:05 PM

I asked my doctor if he will be taking the H1N1 vaccine and his answer was that he does not get the flu... so will have absolutely no need of the regular flu vaccine or the H1N1 vaccine...
As he apparently cannot advise against not taking it this is the best answer he could give me ...and ((No)).. I will not be taking the vaccine and neither will my son

By eva | November 9, 2009 4:53 PM

I also have 3 small children but will not be giving them this vaccination, it 'seems' the logical thing to do is go ahead and get them protected for our peace of mind. But out of fear we can act too hastily.
Here are ten questions that "they" refuse to answer about swine flu vaccines:

http://www.naturalnews.com/027258_vaccines_flu_vaccine.html

By Katie | November 9, 2009 9:10 PM

Would you inject poison to your child??? What’s in the Seasonal Flu Vaccine?
The flu strains selected are cultivated in chick embryos for several weeks before being inactivated with formaldehyde, which is a known cancer-causing agent. Then they’re preserved with thimerosal, which is 49 percent mercury by weight.
Even many health care professionals are confused about this and are not aware that the preservative thimerosal is mercury.According to the CDC, the majority of flu vaccines contain thimerosal. Some contain as much as 25 mcg of mercury per dose. This means that it may contain more than 250 times the Environmental Protection Agency’s safety limit for mercury.
By now, most people are well aware that children and fetuses are most at risk of damage from this neurotoxin, as their brains are still developing. Yet the CDC still recommends that children over 6 months, and pregnant women, receive the flu vaccine each year.
In addition to mercury, flu vaccines also contain other toxic or hazardous ingredients like:Aluminum -- a neurotoxin that has been linked to Alzheimer’s disease
Triton X-100 -- a detergent
Phenol (carbolic acid)
Ethylene glycol (antifreeze)
Betapropiolactone - a disinfectant
Nonoxynol - used to kill or stop growth of STDs
Octoxinol 9 - a vaginal spermicide
Sodium phosphate

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/26/Flu-Vaccine-Exposed.aspx

By ZEN | November 9, 2009 10:00 PM

I have a question, as I cannot understand why ....

Why are children, who are generally scared of needles, being vaccinated using needles?

I thought technology had progressed to where we now have less scary needleless injections.

e.g.

http://www.expresspharmaonline.com/20050602/technologytrendz01.shtml

http://www.makrolon.com/BMS/DB-RSC/MakrolonCMSR6.nsf/id/Injection_EN

http://www.pharma.it/eng/injex.htm

By Gerard | November 9, 2009 10:57 PM

So sick of people who automatically distrust anybody and anything except conspiracy theorists and websites. Because OBVIOUSLY mainstream science and authorities are always out to get us and our kids.

By CW | November 10, 2009 7:49 AM

I am 5 months pregnant and I read,that the chemical content of the vaccine consisists of preservatives like mercuri,and other dangerous poison metals...which impacts directly the brain of the baby,no placenta can protect it...it causes brain damage,autism,think twice before getting shots like that

By cactus | November 10, 2009 7:51 AM

OK. SO I read up on this last night as much as I could... and these seems to be the main points concerning the vaccine:
1. There are strong questions over the mix of chemicals and also the volume of the virus itself. Complications seems to be appearing due to the strength of the virus and the desire to limit the number of shots to 1 instead of 2 with a weaker vaccine.
2. A large number of people (1 in 3) are likely to catch the flu however the symptoms are expected to be mild and less severe than seasonal flu. In this case it seems your own antibodies are preferable.
3. There are still questions over whether the vaccine is really necessary or a politically motivated action brought about through the pre-purchase of vast numbers of this vaccine.
4. There is evidence in Canada that those who have been taking seasonal flu jabs are twice as likely to catch swine flu. The long terms effects are just being recognised in relation to flu vaccines in general and not just the swine flu vaccine.
5. There is evidence to suggest that contamination control is not properly enforced within manufacturers.
6. The vaccine programme has been rushed through and there is a strong chance that it has been 'fumbled".
7. There are questions over whether the swine flu vaccine will cause bird flu as a side effect due to the culture the swine flu is grown in (chick embryos). There was mass contamination at Baxter (manufacturer) of bird flu in vaccine doses (72 lbs).
8. It has been suggested that the vaccine is more likely to cause the spread of both swine and bird flu rather than prevent it.

I short, I have changed my opinion within the last 12 hours based upon a number of factors. At this point, there are too many unanswered questions for me to commit my family to the vaccine, tomorrow. Maybe this will change in the future when more in known.

I urge a stronger discussion of this within the community.

By Owen | November 10, 2009 8:08 AM

People need to get the correct information, that's the first thing. Second quit watching TV and the news, thats a huge issues there. 3rd talk to your doctor!!
The safety data from the clinical trials on the swine flu vaccine is extraordinarily strong. It's not a new vaccine. It's just a component that emerged too late to get it wrapped up. If H1N1 had popped earlier in the year, the manufacturers would have been able to incorporate it in the seasonal flu shot and we wouldn’t be having so much confusion.
When I was at a medical meeting recently, the moderator asked how many people had gotten a seasonal flu shot. Of about 500 doctors in the room, every hand went up. They were then asked, how many people are going to get H1N1? Every hand went up. The medical community understands that this is all about safety and protecting people.We have a shot that can prevent illness and can prevent death. The shot is safe. There is no downside to this. The only group that should consider not getting it are people who have severe allergy to eggs because it is grown in eggs. For a very small population that’s the only caveat.

For them you have to hope that your neighbor is going to do the right thing [and get vaccinated], that the herd immunity will protect you. Most doctors aren’t even checking for what type of flu you’re coming down with now because the assumption is that seasonal flu hasn’t come on the surface yet, that anything out there right now is H1N1. Most doctors are saying that if you have influenza, from spring through the summer to right now, you probably have had H1N1.If swabs are being done, it can come up as just Influenza A. It’s doesn’t really matter, frankly. Whether H1N1 is a subtype of Influenza A, or whether you’re infected with one or the other, it doesn’t matter. The treatment is still the same: take antivirals, stay home.f you’re not sure whether you really had swine flu, then you might as well go ahead and get vaccinated. You can’t hurt yourself by getting vaccinated, even if you might have already had the flu.There is no preservative in the nasal spray or in the single dose vaccine. There are minute amounts of ethyl mercury in the multiple dose vials to keep them sterile. There is no link between this preservative and autism, seizures, schizophrenia, mental illness or neurological problems. None. It has been proven over and over again to be safe.n a very perfect world none of us would have any mercury in our bodies, period. But the reality is, we do have small amounts of mercury in our bodies — from everything from volcanic eruptions to the fish we eat. However, the amount of ethyl mercury in a vaccine is so minute that it doesn’t even register.If you can't get a single dose vaccine, then you have to decide whether not to be vaccinated, or to take the shot that comes from of the multiple dose.

I got my H1N1 because I’m a health risk I got it out of the multiple dose vial. It was either that or not get vaccinated. But the risk is so nonexistent. The chance of complication from the flu is far exceeds any complication from the vaccine — whether it’s preservative-free or has a preservative in it.The nasal spray is an altered, live virus. It’s anttenuated. It’s perfectly safe, but it’s not given to children under the age of 2 or to pregnant women. The vaccine in the shot has been killed. It’s dead. People can be carriers of a virus and not come down with an infection. But that is more common in people who already have some level of immunity and not a youngster with no defenses against H1N1.

That said, swine flu is not more contagious than seasonal flu. The reason we’re talking about it so much, this virus has jumped species, from pigs to human and that gets our attention.

By DR | November 10, 2009 8:45 AM

How do you know that the risk is non-existent?

The trial group for Pandemrix was 340 people. You think the safety results are conclusive? All the material I have researched has come from medical sources on the Internet and I have 10 good reasons not to have the vaccine compared to 1 reason (we are told we must) to accept it.

It is also worthy to note that according to the majority of evidence available, this virus is not naturally occuring - i.e. it was created in a lab. Therefore, I ask myself the obvious question of how did it therefore mutate?

There is more to this than meets the eye - conspiracy theories aside - and until there is a clarification of the above points, I will not risk my family's health.

If anyone reading this can clarify the above points with evidence to the contrary then it would be most helpful.

By Owen | November 10, 2009 10:24 AM

OWEN...

Unfortunatly it was Pandemrix...

"Today, Svenska Dagbladet reports that over 350 cases of side effects from the Pandemrix "swine flu" shot, has been recorded so far. It has also become clear that this shot contains the most deadly mix of substances of all the known vaccines manufactured against the so called "swine flu" H1N1 influenza. The official number of deaths from the "swine flu" vaccine is now five. And that is only those who have strong immediate reactons, the long term effects are usually never even investigated. If you would die from the shot two weeks after you took it, your death would not be considered to have anything to do with the vaccination. Severe health problems years after will of course be very hard to link to the poisonous injection. Even if these five official cases died within days, the official story is of course as expected: "none of these deaths has been confirmed to be linked to the vaccine".

here is the site...

http://remixxworld.blogspot.com/2009/11/350-cases-of-side-effects-from.html

The Swedes are very into vaccinations and I wasn't allowed to let my son into school until all of his vaccinations were upto date.

There are so many conflicting stories out there, I have had to make this decision on what I want for my family, and I don't want to risk putting harmful preservatives into them, when I don't even buy food with it in! 8but thats a different story)

good luck on your decision and take care!

By Tina | November 10, 2009 10:56 AM

"DR"
Your words would be taken much more seriously if you did not SLAM on those of us who KNOW differently. Go to youtube and look up what Mercury does to your brain. Just that one video will decide it for you!

Those who have already been vaccinated and are worried about the metals in them.. CORIANDER aka Cilantro binds with the metals to remove them from your body. Stop in the spice department at the store and pick some up and season your food with it. I believe in Dutch it is called Koriander.

If anyone reading has a doubt about the vaccine, then don't get it. I've learned so much by simply listening to my instincts.

By Laura | November 10, 2009 11:24 AM

Jesus people!
What is the fuss?? My hole family did it my daughter is 4.5 my huby diabetic and I I'm top healthy so is my girl and we all did the swineflu jab! No side effect a bit a sore arm and that was it!!!
If this jab would not be tested enough GP would not be allowed to give the jab!
Get on with it better to prevent then be sorry this virus is unpredictible.
Well if you don't go anywhere and you stay most of the time at home fine don't get the jab simple..but if kids go to school or creche or you go out to parties or you travel or you work in a big company then for god sake gooooo..
It's not only about you also about otheres you don't want to be the one who past on to someone ill and he/she dies do you???

By Minnie | November 10, 2009 1:03 PM

For those who constantly drag up this issue with mercury - YES, this vaccine, like many others, contains mercury. However, the amount of mercury is *less* than what you get if you eat a single serving of lake-living fish for dinner. Something which elderly, kids, pregnant women and most everyone else don't think twice before doing.
As far as the "the vaccine is being rushed out" theory goes - the flu vaccine is *always* rushed out since it has to be adapted to the strings which are most likely to spread that particular year.
And yes, obviously a site called "naturenews.com" has the one and only truth, as opposed to any actual researcher.

To each his/her own. I'm getting a shot, if they actually start giving them out to us non-highriskers before the whole thing is over.

By Silver | November 11, 2009 5:37 PM

Google 'swine flu vaccine miscarriages'. There are hundreds of miscarriages associated with this vaccine. DO YOU WANT TO RISK IT? WHY???

An over-reactive immune response (cytokine storm) in healthy people and pregnant women causes the supposedly 'unexplained' deaths. Natural anti-virals will save lives in these high-risk groups. Antivirals lessen the amount of virus in the bloodstream and keep cytokine production down. Two supplements are easily tolerated, safe for children and pregnant women with no toxicity, no virus resistance:

--Resveratrol-- Increased survival rates 40% in mice, cut virus in lungs by 98%. Liquid form is preferred. Hold a few tablespoons in the mouth for one minute then swallow. Repeat doses 2-3x daily (more often for serious cases) or take one 200 mg. capsule 2-3x daily. Use droppers for babies and young children.

--N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC)-- Capsules can be opened on yogurt. Suggested doses: Adults--1200 mg, twice a day, children half that. Prescription-only inhalers MucoMyst or Mucosil contain NAC. Clinics and hospitals should stock up on these and administer preventively, before patients show lung involvement.

By Mrs. B | November 17, 2009 6:08 PM

The Swiss have rejected Pandemrix for pregnant women due to lack of data of potential risks. This is my worry as my wife is expecting in 6 weeks and we're worried about the Thalidomide disaster of the 1960s.

Also, I'm unclear on the problem of swine flu.

Is it just another form of flu and therefore, your in bed for 4 days and then over it, or is the cross species developemnt that everyone fears and all we have available is the new undertested vaccines such as Pandemrix.

By Stork | November 18, 2009 12:34 PM

Interesting to read all the comments....

I have an 11 month old baby and gave her the first jab and since then she has been really ill.... so not herself at all, crying/screaming, fever, flu, very bad cough, runny nose, ear infection... now week 3 she is getting back to her normal self but I have decided NOT to give her the 2nd jab.......

By AJ | December 11, 2009 8:12 PM